I really hope Obama heard this great speech!

If you did not know, the leader of the nation of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, delivered a wonderful speech to the critics of Israel at the AIPAC . If you have not had a chance to read this speech then I will post a link here. Here is a video of the speech Those who do not agree with the real history of Israel should also take a look at the speech. Why do so many seem to hate Israel? Why do those who carried out and promoted the atrocities of the 20th Century also hate the Jewish people so much? I know why because the Bible says that those who live like the Devil have him as their father and want to carry out his desires. He hates Israel because they are God’s chosen people and he wants to destroy them. Which side of the fence are you on? Do you side with or against Israel? The answer to this question will let you know who your father is, God or the Devil.

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20 comments on “I really hope Obama heard this great speech!

  1. for crissakes, all religions are stupid and lies even if most try to pick out the most useful morals for society. This discussion between jews, christians and muslims has got to stop, one day. We are all humans, we are not different, and certainly not based on thousands of years old manuscripts that have nothing to do with today. This age old hatred started with christians, then muslims, who simply copied bits of both, and it is time to stop.

    • You wrote “thousands of years old manuscripts that have nothing to do with today”. I assume that you are referring to the Bible. If so then I have a question for you. Does “you shall not murder” have any relevance today? What about “do not steal” or “do not lie”? Please answer those questions for me and then we can discuss more.

      This age old discussion is explained in the Bible (which you seem to think is useless). The problem is with you Muslims, they are the ones who instigate. Read this passage about the Muslims in the Old Testament.

      11 The angel of the LORD said to her further, “Behold, you are with child, And you will bear a son ; And you shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction.
      12 “He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers.”

      This has been and is being fulfilled in the Muslims today (who trace their linage back to Ishmael). Interesting that the book that you seem to say is insignificant explains why there is trouble today between Israel and the Muslims. The Muslims also are the ones who hate Christians so please do not place the blame on Christians. Get you facts straight before ranting and raving false info! Also, I believe that the atrocities of the 20th Century were carried out by atheists so before you place the blame on religion I think you need to check your own warped world view.

  2. Hi thanks for replying to my post

    <You wrote “thousands of years old manuscripts that have nothing to do with today”. I assume that you are referring to the Bible. If so then I have a question for you. Does “you shall not murder” have any relevance today? What about “do not steal” or “do not lie”? Please answer those questions for me and then we can discuss more.

    Well, I said in my post "even if most try to pick out the most useful morals for society", so yes, I meant that throughout history, whatever the religion,(and this would include buddhism that has the same moral tenets), there are nuggets that are, or have been handed down to other religions until today. This is normal, those basic things you say are in most religions although they are not adhered to, as many many killings have gone on with the priests, paster's, imams', …benediction, just as lying is ok if it's for someone's good, just as stealing is ok if it's in some institutional structure. We have different codes with Islam, murdering is allowed under various codes.. Please don't give me the typical hypocritical answers, I expected better than that. And I'm not a scolar.

    <This age old discussion is explained in the Bible (which you seem to think is useless). The problem is with you Muslims, they are the ones who instigate. Read this passage about the Muslims in the Old Testament.

    well, you must be really blind as well as deluded, wherever did I say I was muslim, my god, my pseudo is 'atheist' ! BTW I was brought up baptist, so I know what I'm talking about. And just the term 'age old discussion' when you are referring to the bible, precisely makes my point, we are going round in circles, which is what christians usually do, they have no other reference, except those old manuscripts.

    < 11 The angel of the LORD said to her further, “Behold, you are with child, And you will bear a son ; And you shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction.
    12 “He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers.”

    well, what stupidity. As this was written before, so I suppose you believe it was a prophecy..

    <This has been and is being fulfilled in the Muslims today (who trace their linage back to Ishmael). Interesting that the book that you seem to say is insignificant explains why there is trouble today between Israel and the Muslims. The Muslims also are the ones who hate Christians so please do not place the blame on Christians. Get you facts straight before ranting and raving false info! Also, I believe that the atrocities of the 20th Century were carried out by atheists so before you place the blame on religion I think you need to check your own warped world view.

    Ok, so it's first muslims who are the culprits, prophesized by the sacred old testament, then it's atheists, jesus, is this what educated europeans have to deal with, crazy americans ? of course, but many don't realize.

    In my first post, I didn't even blame the christians, you don't even read someone's text, you are so paranoid. I said 'all religions are stupid and lies'. I put the three monotheist religions in the same sentence, so where do you see I blame christians ?

    You don't even answer my comment, you have no intellectual reasoning, I don't see the point of your text at all. I thought scolarly christians at least had some sort of intellectual capacity. My text remains, except for one mistake that you didnt' even pick up, when I said 'this age old hatred started with christians', which is obviously wrong because hatred between beliefs existed much before. I was thinking about the hatred towards the christians, then them towards the other religions and peoples. But of course if you want to go deeper and back in time or even today, beliefs are extremely varied and exist and have existed forever. But obviously my comment was in the context of todays conflicts between the three major religions except that the jews are beligerant only as a nation, they were not as a religion. At least as a diaspora

    As for atheists, they never killed anybody, if you are thinking of communists, then say so. Lenin, Stalin aren't known as atheists. They were simply dictators and as all, just as the pope, and all other dictators, they will kill their opponents, as they do today, religious or not. The one thing Marx said that is so true, is that religion is the opium of the people, and it's the best saying that has ever become famous. Unfortunately, opium is still consumed by many of the worlds people, in real or analogical form

    • A few remarks on your comments. The basic morals of man are given to man by God and that is why those same morals are seen in every society on this planet (i.e. do not murder, do not steal, do not lie, etc.) The fact that these same moral laws are seen in all societies no matter how different the societies are is proof of the fact that they were given to man by God.

      You wrote “ although they are not adhered to, as many many killings have gone on with the priests, paster’s”

      Do you have specific proof of this or just mere accusations, which by the way any 5 year old can do on the school play ground? Secondly, just because someone acts in the “name of God” does not make him from God. The Bible (you really should read this book my friend) explains what a true Christian is like as compared to one who is Christian in name only. The true Christian does not murder (note that there is a difference between murder and killing in the original language of the Bible, you can kill without murdering but you cannot murder without killing).

      You wrote, “just as lying is ok if it’s for someone’s good” Please justify where you get this idea and how it is ok. I am a man of proof and evidence so empty statements will not work with me. Please, clarify stealing being ok as well.

      How have I given a hypocritical answer? Give me some proof once again.

      I never said that you were a Muslim. Please do not make a false argument that you can argue against claiming that it came from me. Read my comment more carefully. I was atheist until I became a Christian. Obviously your “faith” was not yours but instead, something that you “inherited” from your family. Therefore, as the Bible says, you were one who had the name Christian in name only. You just admitted earlier that you are “not a scholar” and now you say that you “know what you are talking about”. You contradict yourself and then have the nerve to talk about hypocrisy (ha ha). We are not going around in circles. I have given concrete evidence to my arguments while you, on the other hand, have made nothing but empty accusations. Learn how to debate and then you will not “go in circles” with people all the time.

      There is a reason that there is tension between the Muslims, Christians, and Jews and I explained that very clearly once again. Your return is empty chatter once again with name calling and no real point. See the above point about learning how to debate and then we can actually get some where with the discussion.

      BTW, God placed the prophesy about the Muslims in His Word thousands of years before they came into existence and then they came to be and acted as well as act just as He said that they would. That my friend is not mere coincidence.

      You wrote “mistake that you didnt’ even pick up, when I said ‘this age old hatred started with christians”
      Obviously you did not read my comment carefully. I explained that it was not the Christians who caused the problems but instead the Muslims. So yes, I did catch your mistake and cleared it up for you. Your straw-man arguments just go nowhere.

      True Christians do not hate anything with one exception, the same thing that God hates, sin.

      The Jews have been hated since the promises that God made about them. Just study history to see the world’s hatred for the Hebrews.

      You wrote, “Lenin, Stalin aren’t known as atheists. They were simply dictators”

      Are you serious? Are you that disillusioned about reality. Communism is founded on atheism. Do you know anything about the USSR? My wife was born under it. I know it well. You must be a historical revisionist.

      You wrote “ Marx said that is so true, is that religion is the opium of the people”

      Wrong. Ignorance is the opiate of the masses and can be destroyed only by the Truth, the Word of God.

  3. Hi Eric

    This is going on a bit long, I don’t mind, but it’s your blog 🙂 I don’t want to take time from your precious church activities. (well that’s a lie, but never mind;-)).

    I’ll go through your points, but as we know, we will never agree on the belief question, although for some others it might be amusing. And, it’s interesting for me to see your particular case, it’s fairly unusual.

    I also checked up a bit on your page ‘who is erik’ to know where you were coming from, it’s more honest, and my comment on that page is at the end. Wow, I really wonder what happened to you at 18…

    Morals : When you believe, as you do that basic morals of man are given by god, you have to admit that that is your belief, because there is no proof. If one doesn’t believe in god, I hope you accept that other explanations are legitimate as being part of humans’ evolution from living in groups, tribes then societies etc. Rules are necessary and they vary, they are not exactly the same. They are divised as being the most useful for survival and organized living.

    There is of course a problem when you say they were given by god to all societies, as either you believe that it’s the same god under different names, or that only the christian notion of god is correct. This is then rather contradictory.

    Proof : The proof is in all the history books, and of course in the old manuscripts. The bible, coran are most bloody. Yet you keep saying I should read it for the truth. Most wars, conflicts, and massacres were and are still in the name of religion. Today, armies have their religious priests or whatever and bless the soldiers and wish them to win over their enemies. And each side has their religious burials. This is officialized killing and non official is named terrorist or ethnic or private..

    ‘murder and killing’, well what about strangling, stoning, sacrificing, hanging, electrocuting, we can all juggle with words. If you think that the bible, I suppose you mean the few books that are in the new testament, really teaches the difference between a real christian and a bad one, then how come after 2 thousand years of interpreting it, so many have died (killed or murdered as you like) by christians ?

    Lying : (sorry but you asked for this), usually starts by telling kids that father christmas is going to come down the chimney and bring them presents. Then, they are told that god is watching over them and knows all what they do, then, they are told they will go to heaven or hell, then they are told that only christians (and your church) is the only true one and all the others are wrong, then, they are told that grandma is going to get well, when you know she won’t, then depending on your beliefs, they will be told that god created the earth in 7 days, etc, etc (like you apparently).

    As for stealing, republicans would say that democrats want to steal with taxes, banks steal, companies steal and even Madoff stole. Children are taught not to steal while their parents are ripping of their clients or lying on their tax forms.

    Muslim : well, re-reading your remark, I see : “The problem is with you Muslims”, if I misunderstood, I’m sorry but it seems most obvious that you were referring to me.
    And you go on to quote some passage that seems to refer to them. Why say ‘you muslims’ and not ‘you jews’ ?

    Ok, as for the bit after this, I’ll try to answer, you say ‘obviously your ‘faith was not yours.. ‘ etc… I can better understand why you put so much emphasis on this thing about christian ‘in name’ etc’, if you converted. But, you can’t claim to have the only definition of faith just because of your experience. Yours is the minority, which doesn’t give you the right to claim all the others aren’t real christians or whatever, this is the same for other religions.

    What exactly is real faith is personal. There are no judges to judge. Usually converts are more fervant (like “Jihad Jane”, even if france, we heard about her :-))

    So, your notion of being brought up in a religion is not considered as being a ‘true’ christian is your opinion only. Is “Jihad Jane” like you ? I would say yes, hopefully, that crusaders no longer carry swords, as she might carry an explosive belt under her chador.

    AND, the funny bit about this is that I can say the same to you, your atheism obviously wasn’t really ‘true’. IMHO, you couldn’t have been a real atheist , as you would never, ever have converted, LOL.

    You say you were brought up in a religious family, then realized you were a ‘lost sinner’ at 18. So were you an atheist before 18 ? And then you ‘encountered the Lord … in 1999, so you are about 29 ?

    Whatever happened my dear man, did you get a divine voice or vision ? (buying the wrong tea bag ? , tripping some substance ? schizophrenic ? Your wife ? ) To change from religious to atheist to religious around the age of 18 sounds extremely suspicious to me.

    God If I had continued what I believed at 18, today I would be a fully blown marxist. At least I moved on.. not necessarily down the right path, but hey, it was the hippy times, not what you had, sorry but you can’t help it. That’s history too my lad.

    I went through all sorts of beliefs before I became truly atheist. “there are many mansions…”. My atheism is not, as you like to say ‘another religion’, it’s perfectly anti religious so stop being so dishonest, and always link it to communist idealology just to make your points. (But “sigh”, honesty is not something that you can expect from crazy believers, I know, I might have been one, ha, ha ).

    When those in the 60’s, 70’s in the great america (the nursery of freedom), who were fed up with the tiny puritan christian cults that they had been brought up with, decided to open their minds to the orient, the new age, stuff, they decided that the highest form of “faith” is when you can be universal and not just stuck in a few old manuscripts and their interpretation. … not a particular god, when you can expand your mind to include the universe, that is not just earth. Then you get real outreach. And, a lot of fuzzy mind stuff.

    But I digress, yes, I know what I’m talking about within a christian experience, which is not the same as saying I’m a scholar.

    Your arguments are not concrete, you are quoting the bible only.

    Tension between religions : where do you explain it clearly ? On another page ?

    Prophecy : what is the best scholar’s guess as to the date of your quote ? I will check it out when I have time. It sounds like a few lines out of context for islam hatred.

    Mistake : we are not talking about the same thing. I was referring to as I said, first the hatred towards christians in early times, then the christian hatred towards jews and then muslims. Of course religious hatred didn’t begin with the christians either.

    For me, the christians have caused the most hatred, but today, it’s the muslims who are the most primitive and belligerant. The orthodox jews are no better in their religious beliefs, and the fundamental type christians like yourself are surely not so belligerant but are the same in their beliefs and literal interpretations of the bible.
    Only muslims today are prepared to blow themselves up.

    If the christians as yourself are defending israel against the muslims today, it’s hypocritical, but I don’t care, it just makes it more complicated. You should let them deal with them on their own, it only causes more hatred. That is my opinion, it’s not a belief.

    I still don’t agree about communists. Communism is not founded on atheism. That they also despised religion and the power of the churches is a fact, but my point is that they were dictators just as any other dictator who may be religious. If they caused so many deaths, it was NOT because of religion, there was persecution of religious representatives, but they weren’t the majority. You are crazy to call me a historical revisionist. Just give me the figures, if you and your wife know about it so well. What percentage were persecuted, killed, died, because of religion and how many because of other reasons ? Give me the source of your argument.

    Opium : wow I could actually agree with you here, ok for ignorance, that’s the basis of buddhist doctrine, and I used to think it was the equivalent of ‘original sin’. I prefer the word ‘ignorance’. However, my truth, is not the same as your ‘truth. My truth is not divine or transcendental, I gave that up when I realized that there is nothing more than than the brain and how humans use it.

    All the rest is wishful thinking. My life is longer than yours and I can tell you loads of things, but you will have to find it out for yourself. Just remember my words, the fall will be devastating and may take several years to recover. However, the sooner it happens, the better as you will prevent all those people (children especially), from being brainwashed by your ignorance. In fact you are are a criminal, but it’s not yet included in the world’s best democractic countries’ legal laws. Don’t worry, you’ll get plenty of warning 🙂

    If you can allow yourself a tiny bit of science, (you can always plead to god to forgive you, so its worth it , he will certainly pardon you), just check out about the brain and how children are ‘wired’ with belief systems, and what it does then to whole societies etc etc.. )

    And because god says always to doubt and be careful of temptations from satan, you can never be really sure you are right. You must therefore be humble and agree to think, and reflect, that is, if you are honest, really honest, that maybe again, (this has happened several times for you in your life, apparently) you might be wrong.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    so I translated a couple of posts and got this (extracts) :

    <homosexuals, no sex before mariage, atheism is a religion, 'Darwin is their prophet', bla bla.. you assocaite communism with atheism.. socialism.

    The bible contains everything, is the truth, is 'perfect', 'without error', 'destroys all arguments against it',

    'homosexuality destroys society and if people don't take action, we will all perish'… <

    Charming…

    (well, some normal bloke would say 'well what do you expect ?' , well I always think people can be 'normal' and think 'normally', but of couse I'm still suffering from the religious upbringing, ya know, and it makes me credulous, even today.. That is the damage that religion has on people's brains, they are brainwashed for LIFE, not just psychologically but neurologically.).

    Good Luck Eric, note, that honesty is first within oneself, and that's the most difficult.

    • Glad that you are “taking” time from my activities. In fact, this is part of my “church” activities; sharing the Gospel through the wonderful tool of the internet (you are proof that it is working). In fact the reason that I am so late in writing back to you is because I was at church last night teaching a Bible study to Russian immigrants in the USA. We are studying the epistle of Jude (in that book that you think is irrelevant) learning about the ungodly, their mindset and lifestyle. It would not be a bad idea for you to get your hands on a Bible and read about the ungodly people in the epistle of Jude (in the NT just before the book of Revelation). Make a list of what you learn about the ungodly (you will be surprised at what you see, and in fact you will see just how relevant the Bible really is).

      What is unusual about me? I believe in the Bible because God has changed my life. There are many like me in this world. You, on the other hand, are like a cookie cutter (hope you understand the analogy). You are right along with the liberal/progressive/atheist/secular humanist. Just google the words to see. You guys all hold to the same teaching (brainwashing) and use the same arguments (I have discussed with many like you and I think that I have your talking points and tactics memorized by now because you guys never stray from the prescribed arguments).

      At 18 I opened the Bible for the first time and was introduced to the God of the universe and His Son, Jesus Christ. I saw how much of a sinner I was and how wrong I was, as well as how brainwashed I was by secular humanism. God set me free from slavery to sin and removed the veil from my eyes to see reality as it is.

      You wrote “hen you believe, as you do that basic morals of man are given by god, you have to admit that that is your belief, because there is no proof”
      If the same morals appear in every culture all over the world all throughout human history then you cannot assume that they (the morals) just evolved that way. It is mathematically impossible. You see, these morals were given to man by someone (God, call Him what you will). That is what the evidence demonstrates to us. You can deny it all that you want but the facts remain. You can be like an ostrich and stick your head in the sand when danger appears but the fact remains, danger is still there and you look silly. The moral rules of the 10 commandments are seen in every culture exactly the same; do not murder, do not lie; do not steal; do not covet; do not commit adultery. They are the same everywhere, period! The same God was there before the beginning of time and He is the one to give the moral laws. Man’s understanding of God is distorted because of man’s ignorance (as I said, ignorance is the opiate of the masses). When one opens the Bible and sees God for who He is (like I did) then everything changes. There is nothing contradictory about the God of the Bible or the Bible. If you think that there is then please bring some evidence.

      Please do not confuse “religious” people with true followers of God. Religious people who do not know God do terrible things in the name of religion and their “god(s)”. Obviously you have not read the Bible or you would know this. Have you ever read the Bible? Please be honest. Not about the Bible but the Bible Itself.

      As far as armies go. There is a difference between murdering and killing. I hope that you can understand that. I have written on this subject if you would like to read up on it.

      (https://erikbrewer.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/confusion-between-crime-and-punishment/)
      (https://erikbrewer.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/is-one-life-more-valuable-than-another/)

      When evil people commit terrible crimes against other people then God raises up others to come and carry out His judgment upon the evil of the original. Those who put to death the evil people because of their sins are not murdering. Read the O.T in order to see how this works. The same with crime and punishment as I have written earlier. For example, Saddam Hussein was a terrible murderer and so the lives of the innocent people in Iraq were saved by the USA through their liberation efforts. Are you upset that a murderer was taken out of power and innocent people no longer tormented, tortured, and murdered?

      I am not playing with words, just informing you of what you do not know. When a guilty person is punished that not a crime (ie, a murderer is put to death for his crimes, the punishment is not a crime).

      When I speak of the Bible, I refer to the entire Bible. The God of the OT is the same God of the NT. Once again, I do not think that you have ever read the Bible (only about the Bible, from what other people have told you).

      Again, give some evidence with your accusations. Which Christians have murdered other people over the past 2,000 years. Apropo, be careful with the Crusades in claiming that the knights who went we Christians (we have already established that not everyone who calls himself a Christian is in fact a true Christian).

      With Santa Clause, you assume that everyone teaches children about Santa Clause so there is your first error. As far as someone watching their every move and knowing there every thought, that is not a lie, that is the truth. Once again your lack of knowledge of the Bible is showing and causing you to form very incorrect opinions leading to false accusations. Just trying to help you out to see reality. You are blinded my friend. Do you have any proof that the earth was not created in 7 days. I am sure you will bring the faith speak of evolution but it is all based on faith (we really cannot prove it beyond doubt so you must trust/believe us when we say things evolved). I know that lame argument well because I was deceived into believing it from childhood all throughout public school. Teaching only one side of an argument is propaganda, not science or education.

      So your argument for stealing being ok is that grown up do it. Good reasoning skills and logic. I am impressed. Stealing is wrong in every society. It happens because people are sinners and disobey God and break His moral laws. That does not change the laws.

      I did not say “you Muslims”. I wrote the problem is with the Muslims. Open your eyes to reality. If the Muslims would put down their weapons in the Middle East then the war would cease to exist. If Israel were to put down her weapons then Israel would cease to exist because the Muslims would wipe them out. Read what the Koran teaches about Jews and Christians. Read what the Muslim leaders teach about Jews and Christians. Read what the Bible teaches about Muslims (I gave you the quote).

      Those who are Christian in name only usually wear the name because they were born into a Christian nation or family. They were never born again through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. It is impossible to be born a Christian. Again this is what the Bible teaches but since you do not know the Bible then you do not know this. The Bible teaches that in order to be a Christian you must become one by being adopted into the family of God, by being born again, having your life transformed and your mind changed. If this has never happened then you can “call” yourself a Christian day and night but you are not really a Christian. The mark of a Christian is a changed lifestyle, release from the slavery to sin, the ability to say no to sin and temptation day after day. You can call yourself a Christian and still be a slave to your sins. You are a Christian in name only and you are not obedient to God.

      The definition of faith comes from God in His Word and not from my experience. My experience just affirms what the Bible already teaches.

      If you want to know what real faith is then you need to open the Bible. BTW, you can have real faith but have it in the wrong thing. Evolutionists have real faith in the theory of evolution but their faith is in the wrong thing. Muslims have real faith in Islam, but again their faith is in the wrong thing. Real faith must be placed in the Truth and the Truth is God’s Word. If you do not have real faith in the Word of God then your real faith in whatever you have placed it, is useless. Again, all of this is directly from the teachings of the Bible (you should consider studying It)

  4. I’m sorry Eric to have to get more of your time but something you said in your comments made me think that it was exactly what I think recently and is my ‘crusade’. (well a future crusade)

    When you say that (obviously from your personal experience), that what you learn from your family isn’t a ‘true’ faith, but you get it when you are an adult.. then please read and give me your opinion.

    I would like, that the United Nations, and individual countries would have an added article in the childrens’ rights charter, that they can be prevented from religious education.

    I believe this is a fundamental right of humans, and of course children, so that they may have the freedom of choice at the adult age.

    When they are brought up in religion, they don’t have the choice.

    This is also not even interesting for the various religions because they see their children change after all the ‘efforts’ that the family did.

    My opinion is that childrens’ brains are vulnerable and it’s easy to influence them and religions all do it. But in fact, it’s not even in their interest because the children will no doubt rebel and change to something else.

    The perfect human rights option should be to leave children alone, and let them decide for themselves when they are adults. Then their decision will be more rational and personal, not just a ‘brainwashing,/ waste product from their parents/tutors .. etc

    From your own arguments that you have said, here in reply to me, it seems that we might even agree, because, surely we know that children are precious and we want the best for them ?

    • If you want to eradicate religious teaching in the lives of children then you must also want to eradicate evolutionists’ propaganda as well, is that true? Or do you have a double standard?

      Plus, it is the right/duty of the parent to educate children, and not up to some governmental entity to dictate what is and is not taught to children by their parents. I assume that you think you know better than the parents. That is a typical secular humanistic/progressive ideology. I think that your project is a terrible idea. Do humans have the right to be protected from dangerous lifestyles such as homosexuality? Or immorality? What about the right not to be persecuted for their own personal faith?

      The Bible says that when children are brought up in the ways of the Lord then they will not depart even in their old age. That is so true. When children are taught the Bible (not about the Bible) from an early age then they are the ones who remain faithful to God all of their lives.

      I want the best for children and of course the best for them is an education in the Bible.

  5. Atheist,

    My atheism was very much true. I had it pounded into my head for 13 years during public education. I believed in evolution and relativism. There were no absolutes in my world. I was taught to be a secular humanist. I believed it because I was brainwashed. I was only taught propaganda because there were no other alternatives. I was a real atheist because I did not know the truth. I did not see reality as it was because I was never taught the Bible. I converted because I weighed the evidence of what the Bible teaches, the junk that I was force fed, and the reality of the world around me. I saw that one was right and the rest were wrong. I chose what was correct, the Word of God. Either you do not see reality or you willingly choose ignorance (I hope for your sake it is the fist).

    I am 29. My family was very religious, Christian in name, but we never studied the Bible. All of my teaching came from the secular humanistic public education. So I understand religious people and secular humanists both very well.

    As I have said. I saw neither vision nor heard a voice. I began to systematically study the Word of God and I saw the Truth which opened my eyes to reality as it is. No one tricked or convinced me. I weighed the facts as presented in the Word of God. Do you understand logic? Do you understand evaluation and the process of elimination? These are all the things that I used when choosing to accept Christianity and the God of the Bible.
    Sorry that you were influenced by Marxism. I was on that path too until I came to the Truth (see above statements).
    Examine atheism for a moment. The doctrine of evolution is your creed. Darwin wrote the holy book for the atheist, natural selection is the all knowing agent carrying out the perfect plan. There are “priests” today like Richard Dawkins and others. It is an entire system of belief and ritual. Deny it if you like and remain blind to the obvious. Communism flows directly out of atheism and evolution. Just examine the evidence. Obviously you are a seeker. Take a close look at the Word of God and you may find what you have been seeking all of these years.

    Look what the 60’s and 70’s have brought us. Look at the moral decline of this great nation. Look at the destruction that AIDS and STD’s have brought us because those pot heads of the 60’s and 70’s opened their minds to (pardon the expression) the crap of new age stuff. BTW, in case you do not realize it, the Bible comes from the orient (Middle East). Also, pluralism is just as lame a philosophy as relativism. It just does not work because it lacks simple logic.

    Let’s hear your Christian experience and see how it matches up to the Bible. Mine goes hand in hand with the Scriptures just as the Bible reveals.

    Bible quotes are concrete. Plus, I used the quote together with actual evidence in the world today. How can anything be anymore concrete than that?

    Tension between religious people is there because religious people are sinners, selfish and self-centered. Christians are selfless and the tension comes on behalf of those who reject the Gospel. They are the ones bringing the persecution and tension. The Bible clearly explains this too, again we see your need for some simple Bible study.

    I do not hate Islam. It promotes lies destruction and that part I dislike because people suffer for it. Check the quote in the context of the Bible instead of running to see what other people “say” that the text says. If the so called “experts” are wrong then you will also draw the wrong conclusion. Plus you can look around until you find someone who agrees with your philosophy so you will not be any better off in the end.

    Where would you not apply a literal interpretation of the Bible? (Genesis 1 is literal, show me some proof why it is not).
    Muslims are prepared to blow themselves up while Christians are the first ones on the scenes of disasters to offer help and the last to leave once all the media attention dies down. Quite an obvious contrast if you ask me.
    As a Christian, I must defend Israel, it is a command by God. Plus, there are consequences for defending or going against Israel. God has warned us in advance.

    And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great ; And so you shall be a blessing ; And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.” (Genesis 12:2-3)

    If you bless Israel (the nation that comes from Abraham) then you will be blessed. If you curse Israel (look at the rhetoric of the Muslims toward Israel) then you will be cursed. Very clear and concrete. Look at History. The nations that have attacked and mistreated Israel have paid a heavy price for it. The nations that defend Israel are blessed. You can choose what you will but I will defend her because that is the only logical thing to do.

    Just look at the writings of the Communists leaders of the 20th Centruy. They were secular humanists who lived by atheism. I know that you will never agree with the facts because it destroys your little world view, but that is the way that it is.

    How many millions died in the Ukraine during the staged famine that Stalin carried out where 7,000,000 people died (Stalin was an atheist to the core) years 1932-1933A.D. Somewhere around 25 million people (officially, who knows the unofficial #) died under Stalin’s reign of terror.

    There is no such thing as “your truth” and “my truth”. There is Truth and you either know it or you do not. The idea of each person having his own truth is, well, childish. You can have your own opinion but not your own facts or truth. You have been brainwashed if you believe each person has his own truth, truth is exclusive, when it is determined everything else is not the truth.

    You want to talk about brainwashing children? Okay, let’s look at the atheist doctrine in the public schools, paid for by tax payer money. Children are taught atheism through the theory of evolution and given no counter argument (propaganda/brainwashing) at its best. Now the homosexuals want to get their propaganda in the schools yet Christians are told to stay out. I do not understand how one group can propagate its “doctrine” as truth and then not allow a counter argument. That is what Hitler did in Nazi Germany.
    Your life can be long or short, that is not the issue. The issue is the worldview that you have. You can know the truth and live a few years and be right or you can leave many years with a lie and be no better. My prayer is that you will come to know the Truth and stop living a lie and promoting it.

    How am I a criminal? I promote a way of life that is moral and benefits those who follow it. You promote a way of life that led to the 20th Century’s brutal mass killings. Who is the criminal?

    I love science, as long as you are referring to real science and not the pseudo-science of evolution. BTW, all of my public education was based on pseudo-science of evolution so I know that junk well.

    The Bible actually says to test everything to make sure that it comes from Him, that it is True and then follow it if it is. I put that teaching to practice every single day. I do not blindly follow a religion. I follow the God of the Bible based on the Word (which I study and analyze carefully, on a daily basis).

    I do not have to be right. God is always right and I just follow Him.

    You wrote “ honesty is first within oneself, and that’s the most difficult”.
    Well said, just please do not be hypocritical and follow your own advice.

  6. hi erik,

    I thank you very much for your huge reply, I think you are really a nice person, and I will try to reply but I have to go to visit my elderly mother in another country. I will try to read all your ideas and reply as it is interesting. We won’t agree but we can exchange our ideas, opinions and experiences, and that is something that we should all try to understand.

    While I find time to reply in depth..

    didn’t you learn this at sunday school ?

    ‘ Jesus loves me this I know
    ‘cos the bible tells me so’..

    check out the tune..

    and…. I remembered it from so many years ago, and it seems so right for you, do reflect on it..

    • Thanks, I am a nice person. I know that Jesus loves me, He died for me and changed my life. That is why I share it with everyone. Respond when you can. I am glad that we can debate logically.

  7. Mai termina cu acuzatiile la adresa celor ce nu sunt de acord cu politica Israelului!Cei care isi spun evrei in zilele noastre,marea lor majoritate,sunt urmasii khazarilor,deci nu au legatura cu evreii din vechime.Contacteaza-ma prin email si iti voi trimite pasaje dintr-ocarte numita “sinagoga lui satan”.Pacea fie cu tine!

    • Evrei din zilele noastre sunt acei despre care vorbea Dzeu lui Avraam. Daca nu vrei sa accepti realitate, este treaba ta. Dar te rog mult, sa nu impui ignoranta ta aupra altora. Daca ai citi Biblia ai vedea ca si Satana are ura fata de evrei si cei ce sunt urmasii lui merg si ei impotriva evreilor.

    • da, l-am primit dar n-am fost acasa astazi prea mult si maine sunt ocupat si va fi putin mai tarziu cand raspund. Multumesc.

  8. · · Erik Brewer Says:
    March 25, 2010 at 6:18 pm | Reply
    >Glad that you are “taking” time from my activities. In fact, this is part of my “church” activities; sharing the Gospel through the wonderful tool of the internet (you are proof that it is working). In fact the reason that I am so late in writing back to you is because I was at church last night teaching a Bible study to Russian immigrants in the USA. We are studying the epistle of Jude (in that book that you think is irrelevant) learning about the ungodly, their mindset and lifestyle. It would not be a bad idea for you to get your hands on a Bible and read about the ungodly people in the epistle of Jude (in the NT just before the book of Revelation). Make a list of what you learn about the ungodly (you will be surprised at what you see, and in fact you will see just how relevant the Bible really is).

    Thought you lived in Moldavia. So do the Russian immigrants still have tinges of communism that they need you to eradicate ?
    Strange how after 2 thousand years you still need to use Jude. Surely after all those burned heretics and massacred infidels there can’t still be any ungodly people around !!! Wow, humans will never learn apparently. And wow, humans are still fornicating too, and more than ever, they aren’t even married. Just shows how much effect Jesus had, he obviously never managed to save people from sin, he might just as well not have bothered. I guess god has given up, unless he’s thinking of sending a daughter the next time, that might have more effect:-)

    >What is unusual about me? I believe in the Bible because God has changed my life. There are many like me in this world. You, on the other hand, are like a cookie cutter (hope you understand the analogy). You are right along with the liberal/progressive/atheist/secular humanist. Just google the words to see. You guys all hold to the same teaching (brainwashing) and use the same arguments (I have discussed with many like you and I think that I have your talking points and tactics memorized by now because you guys never stray from the >prescribed arguments).

    This is strange because my ‘talking points and tactics’ are my own. Nobody brainwashed me except the church and religion in the schools. All those other atheists or humanists might be brainwashed but I wasn’t. As for ‘secular’, it’s got nothing to do with atheist. Try a dictionnary or come to France.

    >At 18 I opened the Bible for the first time and was introduced to the God of the universe and His Son, Jesus Christ. I saw how much of a sinner I was and how wrong I was, as well as how brainwashed I was by secular humanism. God set me free from slavery to sin and removed the veil from my eyes to see reality as it is.

    I discovered UFOs and aliens at 18, and how brainwashed I was with ignorant authorities but that doesn’t mean they exist. I moved on, you didn’t.

    >You wrote “when you believe, as you do that basic morals of man are given by god, you have to admit that that is your belief, because there is no proof”
    If the same morals appear in every culture all over the world all throughout human history then you cannot assume that they (the morals) just evolved that way. It is mathematically impossible. You see, these morals were given to man by someone (God, call Him what you will). That is what the evidence demonstrates to us. You can deny it all that you want but the facts remain.

    I never said that. Of course the same morals never ‘appeared’ in every culture throughout history. There are no facts or evidence. On the contrary, there are even today very different cultures with totally different morals or rules. Some folks might be cannibals and others never kill a thing. The only thing I said was some similarities in religious texts. What age did you leave school ?

    > You can be like an ostrich and stick your head in the sand when danger appears but the fact remains, danger is still there and you look silly. The moral rules of the 10 commandments are seen in every culture exactly the same; do not murder, do not lie; do not steal; do not covet; do not commit adultery. They are the same everywhere, period!

    Rubbish. Some cultures systematically steal, murder, or have several wives or husbands or are incestual or have slaves or eat the hearts of their enemies. They only got to know about any of those commandments when christian missionaries arrived, or buddhist equivalents. Even the jews have a eye for an eye that’s not part of 10 commandments.

    >The same God was there before the beginning of time

    That’s a really weird belief. You’re not very clear about which god and ‘before the beginning of time’ doesn’t make sense. The bible doesn’t help much either, some say its a linguistic problem, or metaphysics, or that bad pseudo science of astro or quantum physics. I must say it’s fun to think about it, but it’s beyond me. It’s easier if you’ve smoked something or taken some little pill. Or got all spaced out with too much praying, meditation or dancing to drums, but I doubt you do that sort of thing.

    Please do not confuse “religious” people with true followers of God. Religious people who do not know God do terrible things in the name of religion and their “god(s)”. Obviously you have not read the Bible or you would know this. Have you ever read the Bible? Please be honest. Not about the Bible but the Bible Itself.

    Yeah, I used to get first prize in bible studies. Not that that means anything. And can’t you realize that all this ‘true god’, talk is what they all do, you have nothing better to offer. Your arguments are tens times worse than a buddhist monk, a good Imam. Buddhist philosophy is a thousand times more sophisticated than your bible talk. There are much better christian proselytizers than your literal fundamental beliefs. And you talk about ignorance. The only argument you have is ‘my god is the true god ‘cos it’s in the bible’. It’s like saying ‘my dog is a dog because it’s a dog.’
    There is nothing to discuss, if it’s in the bible, that’s it. And only your version. And what’s not in the bible, you just invent anything that suits you.

    >As far as armies go. There is a difference between murdering and killing. I hope that you can understand that. I have written on this subject if you would like to read up on it.
    (https://erikbrewer.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/confusion-between-crime-and-punishment/)
    (https://erikbrewer.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/is-one-life-more-valuable-than-another/)
    >When evil people commit terrible crimes against other people then God raises up others to come and carry out His judgment upon the evil of the original. Those who put to death the evil people because of their sins are not murdering. Read the O.T in order to see how this works. The same with crime and punishment as I have written earlier. For example, Saddam Hussein was a terrible murderer and so the lives of the innocent people in Iraq were saved by the USA through their liberation efforts. Are you upset that a murderer was taken out of power and innocent people no longer >tormented, tortured, and murdered?
    >I am not playing with words, just informing you of what you do not know. When a guilty person is punished that not a crime (ie, a murderer is put to death for his crimes, the punishment is not a crime).

    That’s what’s so scary about you fundamentalists. Not content to keep to yourselves, you want to impose your charia rule over everyone. Thank god that this is only possible in muslim countries and in USA with all those ‘free’ communities, mormons, Amish, JW etc. I’m sooo glad that I live in a country that doesn’t have the death penalty and is not a theocracy, or allow those weirdos abuse their children or their wives.

    Hey, I bet you wish there was still a christian theocracy, and you could apply ‘god’s justice. Then you could burn witches, heretics and homosexuals. They were the good old days, n’est-ce pas ?! You should buy an island and live with your co-believers and you could all apply your crimes and punishment legally. Sad for the children though.

    >When I speak of the Bible, I refer to the entire Bible. The God of the OT is the same God of the NT. Once again, I do not think that you have ever read the Bible (only about the Bible, from what other people have told you).
    >Again, give some evidence with your accusations. Which Christians have murdered other people over the past 2,000 years. Apropo, be careful with the Crusades in claiming that the knights who went we Christians (we have already established that not everyone who calls >himself a Christian is in fact a true Christian).

    I now understand that there aren’t any true christians except yourself, (or your select group), so I can’t answer that question.

    >With Santa Clause, you assume that everyone teaches children about Santa Clause so there is your first error. As far as someone watching their every move and knowing there every thought, that is not a lie, that is the truth. Once again your lack of knowledge of the Bible is showing and causing you to form very incorrect opinions leading to false accusations. Just trying to help you out to see reality. You are blinded my friend. Do you have any proof that the earth was not created in 7 days. I am sure you will bring the faith speak of evolution but it is all based on faith (we really cannot prove it beyond doubt so you must trust/believe us when we say things evolved). I know that lame argument well because I was deceived into believing it from childhood all throughout public school. Teaching only one side of an argument is propaganda, not science or education.

    Of course, of course. As I said, buy an island and teach what you like. I hope that some ‘moral’ army would bomb you though as that would be proper punishment, not a crime.

    >Those who are Christian in name only usually wear the name because they were born into a Christian nation or family. They were never born again through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. It is impossible to be born a Christian. Again this is what the Bible teaches but since you do not know the Bible then you do not know this. The Bible teaches that in order to be a Christian you must become one by being adopted into the family of God, by being born again, having your life transformed and your mind changed. If this has never happened then you can “call” yourself a Christian day and night but you are not really a Christian. The mark of a Christian is a changed lifestyle, release from the slavery to sin, the ability to say no to sin and temptation day after day. You can call yourself a Christian and still be a slave to your sins. You are a Christian in name only and you are not obedient to God.

    I’m so glad I’m not a christian then. I’m a real born again atheist. It’s such a relief. My mind is changed and my life transformed. I’m released from slavery and sin and temptation. You should try it, it’s great.

    >The definition of faith comes from God in His Word and not from my experience. My experience just affirms what the Bible already teaches.

    Well you said you read it in the bible at 18.

    >If you want to know what real faith is then you need to open the Bible. BTW, you can have real faith but have it in the wrong thing. Evolutionists have real faith in the theory of evolution but their faith is in the wrong thing. Muslims have real faith in Islam, but again their faith is in the wrong thing. Real faith must be placed in the Truth and the Truth is God’s Word. If you do not have real faith in the Word of God then your real faith in whatever you have placed it, is useless. Again, all of this is directly from the teachings of the Bible (you should consider studying It)

    You are repeating yourself, just say ‘my truth is the only truth’. No need to talk about other ‘faiths’. They are all wrong. I’m sure you are convinced, but you need to convince others that your truth is the only truth. We can see that. It’s clear.

    >If you want to eradicate religious teaching in the lives of children then you must also want to eradicate evolutionists’ propaganda as well, is that true? Or do you have a double standard?

    Just as you discovered ‘god’ at 18, it proves that what you were taught (apparently humanist propaganda), was not effective. So why bother to teach children religion if they might reject it at 18 ? That was my point to you.

    >Plus, it is the right/duty of the parent to educate children, and not up to some governmental entity to dictate what is and is not taught to children by their parents. I assume that you think you know better than the parents. That is a typical secular humanistic/progressive ideology. I think that your project is a terrible idea. Do humans have the right to be protected from dangerous lifestyles such as homosexuality? Or immorality? What about the right not to be persecuted for their own personal faith?

    I am a parent. I have no problem with all those scary things you mention. My son is fine, with the laws of the country, human rights, a few reminders, and lots of patience and energy from the parents is enough. No need for ‘gods’ justice or extreme parental pressure. In any case, if your kid has homosexual tendencies, it’s not the parents that will change it. If your daughter or son have sex as teenagers, you won’t know and there’s nothing you can do. Don’t kid yourself.
    You are young parents, you will see. You think you are going to mold your children, to your personal ideas and religious beliefs, but be careful, I advise you not to. It will backfire. But of course you think you ‘own’ your children and they are yours to do as you wish. I hate that kind of mentality.

    >The Bible says that when children are brought up in the ways of the Lord then they will not depart even in their old age. That is so true. When children are taught the Bible (not about the Bible) from an early age then they are the ones who remain faithful to God all of their lives.

    That’s called wishful thinking. You’ll see when your kids grow up. And what are you going to do if they don’t ‘remain faithful’ ? And anyway you won’t be around to see their ‘old age’. Ha, ha, I can imagine you Erik on your dying bed, holding your childs hand, saying ‘darling please keep your faith’.. and he/she will say ‘yes of course father dear’. Then outside the room chuckling away just as they have for years. Well, it may not turn out that way, you may even be right ! Ooops, the bible, that is. (I always prefer to laugh than cry..)

    >I want the best for children and of course the best for them is an education in the Bible.

    We have different notions of respect for children.

    >My atheism was very much true…

    Ok, that’s clear.

    >Sorry that you were influenced by Marxism

    Its part of the learning process, you don’t learn everything at school but you don’t stop learning at 18, it’s a lifelong thing if you are that way inclined. The only thing we might have in common is a tendency for idealism, trying to find ‘the truth’. Trying to understand the meaning of life etc. I did it for most of my life, now I just live and accept that we die and that’s it. There is nothing to seek, nothing to understand.
    I think you are still on the path of seeking and yet although you seem convinced, you’re not really, because you try so hard to convince others and that is a bad sign. When people have beliefs, they always want to convert others because they see it as proof that they must be right. It’s nice to have people around you who believe in the same things. It’s very pleasant and flattering. It helps any doubt you might have. I used to do it.
    However, if one day you change your beliefs, you’ll see that all those friends and colleagues will suddenly reject you. They never liked you for yourself but for your beliefs, and when you change, the others hate it. I’ve seen this over and over, and loads of people say the same. Even families will reject their children, in some religions, they might even kill them.

    This is the power that beliefs have over humans. It creates enormous fear. I don’t know why humans have this need, it’s a psychological problem, I tend to think it’s some sort of evolutionary weakness in the brain. Our brains aren’t fully adapted to our level of life, we are still very animal like, we are violent, fragile and vulnerable. So I guess that’s why some need to believe in something that will explain everything in a simple way. And when it’s all contained in one book, it’s so much more easy than having to take into account all the complexities of science or knowledge.

    That’s what you do, you see everything through one book and that’s your ‘truth’. You have rejected all other knowledge, and chosen a simple world view. But you must get others to do the same, and the bible tells you to do this.
    Of course it does. It was written by people who were all trying to convert and persuade others.

    Look what the 60’s and 70’s have brought us. Look at the moral decline of this great nation. Look at the destruction that AIDS and STD’s have brought us because those pot heads of the 60’s and 70’s opened their minds to (pardon the expression) the crap of new age stuff. BTW, in case you do not realize it, the Bible comes from the orient (Middle East). Also, pluralism is just as lame a philosophy as relativism. It just does not work because it lacks simple logic.

    Maybe your parents were of that generation, as I was. Maybe it was your way of rebellion ? Sexual diseases were far more prevalent in the past. People used to die of them too.
    As for new age stuff, I think it was a reaction to narrow minded christianity in USA, (and then elsewhere, first UK, then spreading and is still the case), and those like theosophists who discovered oriental religions and new forms of psychology, and then made a mix. New drugs came into it, and LSD sent people off into mind worlds, just as the french impressionists or surealists did. Drugs or substances have been involved in religions from time immemorial. Diseases too, like schizophrenia or epilespy, (wasn’t that Paul ?), all contributed.
    In any case, you can never go back ‘to the glorious years’, whatever period you think was best. Just be thankful that you can take antibiotics, get a quicky eye job when you’re losing your sight, so at least you’ll live longer and be able to read that bible maybe till you die.

    >Let’s hear your Christian experience and see how it matches up to the Bible. Mine goes hand in hand with the Scriptures just as the Bible reveals.

    I’m sure your experience is the best, without any doubt. You prove it over and over. And what can my christian experience be worth, you said that they can’t be real christians when they are brought up with it. Mine was typical, baptist mother, father didn’t interfere (should have), sunday school, bible studies, etc etc, Even spent a year in a catholic school and wanted to be a nun. Then decided at 16 that god didn’t exist. Nothing exceptional. Later, I touched on the bible for other reasons. Remember that 16 for a girl is same as 18 for a boy 😉

    >Bible quotes are concrete. Plus, I used the quote together with actual evidence in the world today. How can anything be anymore concrete than that?

    You don’t answer my question about it.

    >Tension between religious people is there because religious people are sinners, selfish and self-centered.

    I do get your point. I would even totally agree.

    >Christians are selfless

    You mean you are selfless. You have no self, you have given yourself to god, remember ? Maybe some other ‘no self’ christians exist, (rare though), funny too, how buddhists also explicitely aim to eliminate the self, wow, funny how we must always renounce our own selves. That is the most extreme form of slavery. Don’t need real chains. ‘Be Christ’s slave’, Be Buddha’s slave’, ‘Be allahs slave’.. ‘Be Hitlers slave’, be Mao’s slave… You could even add ‘be a credit slave’.. well.. don’t see no difference.

    > and the tension comes on behalf of those who reject the Gospel. They are the ones bringing the persecution and tension. The Bible clearly explains this too, again we see your need for some simple Bible study.

    Its always the others’ fault, what’s new ?

    >I do not hate Islam.

    I do.

    >It promotes lies destruction and that part I dislike because people suffer for it. Check the quote in the context of the Bible instead of running to see what other people “say” that the text says.

    Well at least tell me where it is. Why should I look for it ? And why shouldn’t other people say when it was written ?

    >If the so called “experts” are wrong then you will also draw the wrong conclusion. Plus you can look around until you find someone who agrees with your philosophy so you will not be any better off in the end.

    That could be true too, experts don’t agree among themselves, but at least as you use that quote, it’s important as it seems to be in today’s context. What are you afraid of that I might discover ? LOL

    >Where would you not apply a literal interpretation of the Bible? (Genesis 1 is literal, show me some proof why it is not).

    Believe what you want, as you know the ‘atheist/humanists’ arguments by heart, you know what they would say: ‘extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof’. But don’t tire yourself, I’m not interested. I do believe this though : ‘Mary had a little lamb, it’s fleece was white as snow and everywhere that Mary went the lamb was sure to go’. (it’s just a joke, nothing hidden there).

    >Muslims are prepared to blow themselves up while Christians are the first ones on the scenes of disasters to offer help and the last to leave once all the media attention dies down. Quite an obvious contrast if you ask me.

    That’s very nice if it’s true, I don’t know how many ambulance folks are atheists, did you ask them ?

    >As a Christian, I must defend Israel, it is a command by God. Plus, there are consequences for defending or going against Israel. God has warned us in advance.

    Ok, now I understand. I often wondered.

    >And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great ; And so you shall be a blessing ; And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.” (Genesis 12:2-3)

    Ahem, when was that written exactly ? wasn’t it sometime when they came back from babylon ? Or just before ? well, it doesn’t matter, it’s the sentiment that counts. For a unifying a new nation, a bit like Netanyahu today.

    >If you bless Israel (the nation that comes from Abraham) then you will be blessed. If you curse Israel (look at the rhetoric of the Muslims toward Israel) then you will be cursed. Very clear and concrete. Look at History. The nations that have attacked and mistreated Israel have paid a heavy price for it. The nations that defend Israel are blessed. You can choose what you will but I will defend her because that is the only logical thing to do.

    And Abraham, I don’t remember where he is buried, have you visited his grave ? Were DNA tests done on his bones ? What was the date ? Well never mind, it’s nice to have ancient heros, even if there weren’t any really. Every one needs to feel good.
    And I don’t totally disagree with you, you don’t have to quote the bible, we are in the 21st century. Unfortunately the problems aren’t solved and it’s not christians’ support for Israel that’s going to change anything. As I said, leave them alone, there are enough religions and factions involved, you’ll only make it worse. And the jews won’t be grateful, so don’t waste your time. But, of course you can think what you like, after all christians owe them enough.

    >Just look at the writings of the Communists leaders of the 20th Centruy. They were secular humanists who lived by atheism. I know that you will never agree with the facts because it destroys your little world view, but that is the way that it is.

    Well I just asked for figures but you don’t give any. So for the moment, its not ‘facts’. You said you were the experts on communist countries.

    >How many millions died in the Ukraine during the staged famine that Stalin carried out where 7,000,000 people died (Stalin was an atheist to the core) years 1932-1933A.D. Somewhere around 25 million people (officially, who knows the unofficial #) died under Stalin’s reign of terror.

    But what’s that got to do with religion ?

    >There is no such thing as “your truth” and “my truth”. There is Truth and you either know it or you do not. The idea of each person having his own truth is, well, childish. You can have your own opinion but not your own facts or truth. You have been brainwashed if you believe each person has his own truth, truth is exclusive, when it is determined everything else is not the truth.

    Ah, another twist on ‘truth’. Yeah, your truth is soooo high and ultimate that nobody can have their version. I am obviously very childish. I don’t mind.

    >You want to talk about brainwashing children? Okay, let’s look at the atheist doctrine in the public schools, paid for by tax payer money. Children are taught atheism through the theory of evolution and given no counter argument (propaganda/brainwashing) at its best. Now the homosexuals want to get their propaganda in the schools yet Christians are told to stay out. I do not understand how one group can propagate its “doctrine” as truth and then not allow a counter argument. That is what Hitler did in Nazi Germany.
    Your life can be long or short, that is not the issue. The issue is the worldview that you have. You can know the truth and live a few years and be right or you can leave many years with a lie and be no better. My prayer is that you will come to know the Truth and stop living a lie and promoting it.

    Well at least you explain your worldview, for you, the main problems are evolution and homosexuality (both ? men and women ?). You forget abortion. It’s just that this evolution thing seems to be producing more honesty and openness, and all those homosexuals can come out of the closet. They were always there. Just like the religious pedophiles, they were always there, its just that people can finally denounce them. Before that nobody would believe them. So, from your whole arguments, you would prefer it the way it was before, just keep all that nasty stuff under the carpet.

    >How am I a criminal? I promote a way of life that is moral and benefits those who follow it. You promote a way of life that led to the 20th Century’s brutal mass killings. Who is the criminal?

    Euh… I promote what ?

    >I love science, as long as you are referring to real science and not the pseudo-science of evolution. BTW, all of my public education was based on pseudo-science of evolution so I know that junk well.
    The Bible actually says to test everything to make sure that it comes from Him, that it is True and then follow it if it is. I put that teaching to practice every single day. I do not blindly follow a religion. I follow the God of the Bible based on the Word (which I study and analyze carefully, on a daily basis).

    That’s fine, how many laboratories do you have ? Just to test the evolution thing I mean. And how, exactly do you test ‘god’s word’ ?

    >I do not have to be right. God is always right and I just follow Him.

    Like a slave, don’t think, just blindly follow. Do you realize what you are saying ? You should get some sleep my lad.

    >You wrote “ honesty is first within oneself, and that’s the most difficult”.

    <Well said, just please do not be hypocritical and follow your own advice

    Ah, a compliment, I’m so happy. And I’m trying to (follow my own advice and not be hypocritical, are you ?).

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    as for the speech, I listened anyway, and he has some points, he is persuasive,. However, it’s not going to solve the Israel/pal problem.
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    And as an afterthought, on the question of morals and you asked me about my christian experience, I can say that it was only when I took on buddhist stuff that I really accepted the 'no killing, no lying, no stealing,' as they explain it well. They actually give good logical reasons, that are far more acceptable to our modern thinking. Christianity has no explanations, it's just 'you mustn't'. So if that's any help, for your educating your kids, 'cos as a kid, 'you mustn't' wasn't enough at all. I still try not to kill, or lie or steal, although the killing bit about mosquitoes or fleas, I've given that up :-)))

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      I do live in Moldova but I am in the States as of now because my wife just gave birth to our second child. We will be leaving for home (Moldova) very soon, in May to be exact.

      Since I am an English teacher by trade, I teach English as a second language (ESL) as a way to minister the Gospel to people who have a need (for both English and the Gospel). I lived in St. Louis Missouri for 2 years and while there developed some good friendships with many immigrants. While here for my son’s birth I picked up where we left off before moving back to Moldova. None of the immigrants with whom I work are communists (thank God). The fled communism/atheism for a better way of life. (They are complaining because they see the USA shifting toward communism/atheism/socialism/Marxism, etc. the list could go on for a while, under the Obama dictatorship).

      Once again, you are looking at the deeds of religious men (not necessarily Christian, maybe in name) and then trying to judge what the Bible teaches. You seem to be an educated man yet you insist on uneducated tactics. The entire reason Jude wrote to the church was to inform them that the ungodly had crept in among them (the believers in the church) and were trying to deceive and destroy the faith. He reminds the Christians to take action (no violent action) but to confront the ungodly with the Word of God. Also, he wanted to keep the believers from falling into the traps of the ungodly who had crept in. He is not talking about the ungodly outside of the church. They have and will always be there. The command for them is to take the Gospel to them and the changing power of Jesus Christ. Yes humans still fornicate and the sad part is that there are innocent victims of the fornication whose lives are altered because of mankind’s selfish ways. I am for human rights and sin is a direct slap in the face of human rights. I thought that you would feel the same since you are a fan of human rights as well. I would not say that humans are fornicating more than ever. Read about the pagans of the OT and you will see some sickening practices in the area of sex. It is getting worse because of paganistic teachings like the stuff of the “New Age” movement. The further you get from the One True God the more immoral you become (strange how God says that in the Bible and it manifests itself in reality).

      Jesus has saved countless numbers of people from sin. I am one along with my wife, my teachers, my disciples, and many many more throughout the ages. There will not be “great multitudes” who experience freedom from sin (Jesus Himself explains this in the Sermon on the Mount, see Matthew 7). But just because you have not experienced this freedom does not make it less true. God does not need to send anyone else. Jesus will return but at that time, if you have not already experienced freedom from slavery to sin then it is not going to be a good day for you.

      I know that you feel like you are open minded and a free thinker but I have seen your arguments countless times before both in the USA and in Europe. The worldview that you hold is not unique. In fact it conforms to the teaching of this age. That has happened in every age so as the Bible says, “there is nothing new under the sun”. The things that “modern” man believes are a repackaging of age old teachings (New Age stuff for example). You say you have not been influenced but you argue in step with the secular humanists (coincidence?) I think not!

      Sorry to hear about the UFO’s and aliens. I never went that far over the deep-end. Do you have a problem with authorities? I would not be surprised because that is exactly what the Bible teaches about those who do not believe in or follow God. I was brainwashed before I turned 18 by the secular humanistic education that I received. I began to see reality at the age of 18, by choice and not by force. No one told me what to believe. I came to the conclusion based upon the concrete facts that I saw in the Word of God, human history, and the world around me. I made a very informed decision (not some emotional decision).
      You wrote, “Of course the same morals never ‘appeared’ in every culture throughout history.”
      Show me one culture where “murdering” is accepted as the norm (other than religious sacrificial killings). Show me a culture in history where stealing is not discouraged, or where lying is not discouraged. I can show you that the same moral laws are evident in every culture all throughout human history (just like the Bible teaches).

      I was under public, secular education until I was 23 years old (almost 24). I have had religious (Biblical) education for the past 10 years as well as some theological seminary.

      Even in the most pagan of cultures, lying is discouraged, along with murder and lying. Immorality is present but still discouraged, in the form of adultery. It is there in every culture. I know that your worldview cannot allow you to acknowledge the obvious but it is still obvious. There is sin and distortion of God’s moral laws in every culture but these moral laws are there. There are other cultural commands added to the foundational moral laws of God but that does not change the simple moral laws that He has given to every man. BTW, eye for an eye was a much more human law than the law of the land when this law was given. The people were much more crude and cruel in their punishment.

      The One and only true God was there before the beginning of time. Elohiym, the all powerful One who has the power to create something out of nothing. Do you need me to be even more specific? Why is it weird? The uncaused first cause who created and set everything else into motion. Evolution teaches that everything came from nothing (theoretically impossible) yet many people “believe” this very weird teaching. I am not into tripping out (that was my B.C. Days, before I met Christ). It is quite logical to understand the something was created by something else.

      Did you not pay attention to what you were learning in those Bible studies? Where you studying the Bible as is or through the prism of a certain theology? (there is a very big difference). I do have something much better to offer, the Bible, nature, and experience. They all line up to form logical sense. You reject the Bible, and follow your worldview about nature as well as do not believe personal experience and therefore do not understand God as He has revealed Himself. You cannot just take nature by itself or personal experience by itself because those two without the Bible, can lead to all kinds of strange ideas (take religion without the Bible, that would be personal experience, or take nature without the Bible, then you get the deception of naturalism). Again, I have studied this from all angles. I do not blindly follow anything. I was taught how to think and reason and put those skills to practice in looking at nature, the Bible, and personal experience.

      I am not impressed with Buddhist philosophy. I have studied some of it. Is it any different than the philosophers of ancient Greece? Neither Jesus, not Paul were interested in their complicated philosophies because they are nonsense. I have nothing against Buddhist, they are seeking freedom from sin (as the Bible teaches) but they cannot find it in Buddhism. As you know, freedom from sin is found in the Word of God through Jesus Christ. Also, Buddhism is man worship. You can become your own enlightened god. That is the same lie that Satan sold to Eve in the Garden of Eden. Mankind bought into the lie then and has been ever since. As I said before, there is nothing new under the sun. The new age stuff is the same old stuff repacked.

      BTW, I am not here to impress you. I am just sharing the Truth from the Word of God. The man who does not know God views the things of God as rubbish (as you clearly do). I am fine with what you say. You are not attacking me but instead the God whom I serve and the message that He has delivered. So therefore I do not take your insults personally.

      God is the True God because He has created all things, revealed Himself in His creation and explained Himself in His Word. That is the argument that I have made so please stop with the straw-man arguments (telling me what you think I said and then arguing against your ideas of what I said). That is childish and lacks logic. Any child can do that. In fact that is the way children argue. I want to give you more credit than that.

      Do you not agree with crimes being punished? Should the life of the criminal be valued more than the life of the victim? Is that a moral way of thinking? I thought we were all to be equal under the law. Are there separate rules for some? Do we punish the victim of a crime by not punishing the criminal? Do you not see how flawed your logic is? As I have said before, I have had this same conversation many times with many people who think just like you do. You guys have the same worldview and the same flawed view of morality, crime, and punishment. When a child is raped and the rapist is not put to death but instead set free to rape and murder later, who is being immoral? Who is putting the lives of women and children at risk? Answer these questions for me, please. Give me some logic to your worldview.

      I do not have to apply God’s justice, He does it. Punishing criminals is logical my friend. Choosing not to punish criminals puts the innocent people of a society at risk. In your mocking you have actually mocked yourself and shown your own illogical worldview. Keep up the good work.

      Again, true Christians are all over the world and have been since the days of Christ. They are known by their deeds as Christ teaches. If you would bother to read the Bible you would know this. You choose (on purpose) to be ignorant and then reveal it through your writings. Again, keep up the good work. I know that you do not have an answer to concrete evidence. Since believing the facts would destroy your worldview, you choose to stick with ignorance. I am sorry for you. You can, however, be changed through repentance and faith in Christ. I know because it happened to me.

      I love the fact that when you guys (atheists) do not have a counter-argument you revert to name calling and mocking. Good reasoning skills on your behalf (maybe evolution will bring you guys up to maturity one day).

      I know that you are a slave to sin. You want to stop doing something that you know is wrong. You try and try yet find yourself in that same state again and again. That is slavery and you know it but probably will not openly admit it.

      Again, truth is truth. There is no such thing as my truth or your truth. By definition there cannot be 2 truths that contradict each other. One is true and the other is not. Truth is exclusive, do you not understand this? You can find the false in all the world religions with the exception of Biblical Christianity (try it and you will see for yourself).
      You still did not answer my question. If you want to eradicate religious teaching for children are you also for eradicating the secular humanistic worldview? The evolutionary worldview? Etc? Please answer the question and stop diverting.

      I never said “extreme” parental pressure. Once again you revert to strawman tactics. I am a parent too. I also work with young people who receive secular humanistic educations and then they come to the Truth of the Word of God and have their lives transformed for the better. I see the destruction and pain that comes through living a fatalistic worldview. I see the damage that the lie causes and therefore want to help. It is so nice to see a person’s life transformed for the better. To see them learn how to respect others and appreciate things instead of being selfish and self-centered. No one can change homosexuality except Jesus Christ. I would not even dare to try.

      My children will brought up in the teachings of the Word of God. Once they reach an age of accountability and responsibility (ie, they are out of my house and paying their own way) then they can follow whatever they want. I am confident that if I bring them up in the Word of God then they will not depart when they are older (that is a promise from the Scriptures). You can wish evil all that you want on me and my family but we are protected by the mighty hand of God. It is a nice feeling that you could experience too.

      So protecting children from rapists and murderers is not respect in your opinion? Teaching children to obey the law, their parents, and respect, these are not good for children? Teaching children to be appreciative, this is not good for children? These are all clear teachings in the Word of God. Teaching children to avoid the dangers of sexual immorality, this is not good for them? Please explain this to me because I am a bit confused by your understanding of what is and is not good for children.

      Learning is a lifelong process But it is crucial that you spend your life learning the right thing. You can waste it by learning the wrong thing and then what do you have? Nothing but a wasted life and a head full of meaningless stuff.

      Your fatalistic worldview led to the atrocities of the 20th Century. Sorry to inform you of the facts. Get out of that way of thinking and come to the Truth, the Word of God.

      Again, I am not trying to convince you of anything. I am just presenting the facts. You can do what you will with them.

      As you can see from this discussion about this topic, I do not surround myself with people who only think like I do. I am a missionary and I am usually surrounded by people who think nothing like I do. Again you revert to your straw-man argument. In fact I spend a great deal of time being surrounded by people who, unfortunately, think more like you do. I am not worried about being rejected. People have rejected God all throughout the ages. They even rejected God in the flesh, Jesus Christ, so I expect people to reject me because I carry His message. I am really not insecure no matter what you seem to think. One thing that you do not understand is the fact that I am my beliefs. God transformed me. I think differently now and I am different. It seems to me that you have experienced this rejection about which you speak. I am sorry if you have but you can find peace and comfort in Jesus Christ. I did and want to share that with everybody. It is funny that you speak of fear because when you come to Christ your fears are taken away because you know in whom you believe. There is nothing to fear anymore. Religious people who do not know God may fear, but not true Christians. The reason that humans look for something to believe in is because God has placed that desire in every human from birth. It is inborn and will manifest itself (in different ways, but still manifested). We have what the Bible calls the flesh or instinct and if we are followers of Jesus Christ then we also have the Holy Spirit in us. When that is the case then we choose either to listen to the flesh and its sinful desires or the Spirit and Its righteous desires. Those who do not follow Christ just have the flesh and live by it like slaves. I know because I have been there. I used to be a slave to sin but now I am free to say no to sin and actually turn away from it. The same power that resurrected Jesus Christ was given to me to say no to sin and temptation. You can have it too if you will repent and believe.

      Again, we can discuss science if you are speaking of real science based on evidence and fact but I do not care to discuss the pseudo-science of evolution. The Bible is knowledge. Anything that contradicts the Bible is nonsense. True science goes hand in hand with the Bible. Meaningless philosophies should be rejected because they lead to nothing. Why waste your precious time?

      My parents are of that generation and they were negatively influenced by its philosophies. I learned from their mistakes and did not make them so I would not actually call it rebellion. Not jumping off of a cliff that I saw others jump off of and dies does not make me rebellious, it makes me a logical person. Why should I repeat your mistakes when I can observe them and learn from them?

      People still die from sexual disease. Look at the stats in the USA pre 1960’s and you will see the share decline of STD’s in number and case. Look at the facts and stop giving your own version of the facts.
      Your argument is full of “I think” and “I believe” while I continue placing the facts before you. Sorry but you are losing the argument based on simple facts.

      You wrote, “drugs or substances have been involved in religions from time immemorial”. That is true among the pagan religions but not the case in the Bible. The Bible teaches to be sober minded in all things. Paul was a very well educated man who experienced what Jesus Christ called “being born again” (which is what I also experienced). It is not a sickness or disease but instead a radical transformation from the inside out (a spiritual transformation) Paul went from a persecutor of Christianity to a promoter/preacher/proclaimer. Do you know how much of modern medicine has been influenced by the Bible? The idea of putting people to sleep before major surgery came from Genesis 2 when God put Adam to sleep before taking one of his ribs to create the woman. Just one of many examples. Have you not studied simple history? The glorious years are still to come. I am not looking back for anything. The glory years will come when Christ returns. Keep living and you may see it although in your current state, it will not be very glorious for you.

      I never said my experience is best. I simply said that it matches up with what the Bible teaches. Stop with the straw-man stuff, please!

      So you never accepted Christ, repented of your sins, and were born again? You were never adopted into the family of God? You are still not a child of God (and never were). There is hope for you then. You can accept Christ, repent of your sins, and were born again. You can be adopted into the family of God and become a true child. It is not too late, yet! I will pray for you in this area. Please do not wait until it is too late.
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      As a Christian I have died to myself. My old self was crucified with Christ. I care the death penalty of the cross with me for my life everywhere that I go. The life that I live now, I live for God through the power of Jesus Christ. That is what it means to be a true, born again Christian. When you accept Christ you “take up your cross” as Jesus said. You sign the paper of condemnation for your old self. Not many religious people realize what it means to follow Jesus. They just think that it means heaven when you die because you go to church.

      Your own comments show the animosity coming from those who reject the Gospel to the ones who have accepted It and proclaim It. Like it or not, you are fulfilling the promises of the Word of God by your actions.

      >It promotes lies destruction and that part I dislike because people suffer for it. Check the quote in the context of the Bible instead of running to see what other people “say” that the text says.
      Well at least tell me where it is. Why should I look for it ? And why shouldn’t other people say when it was written ? (I am not sure what you mean by this, maybe you can reformulate it so that I can understand your point)

      You have to interpret the Bible in its original context. I do not know how familiar you are with literature. I am very familiar with it. In fact I teach it. There are rules for interpreting any form of literature. In order to interpret Shakespeare, you must know about the cultural context of his day and the usage of words and phrases. The same is true for the Bible. If you pull the text from Its cultural context then you cannot interpret the text as it was meant to be interpreted. The same is true with French literature or American or literature of any era.

      You wrote “extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof”. That is precisely the point with evolution and the old earth worldview. Where is the proof?

      You wrote, “I don’t know how many ambulance folks are atheists, did you ask them”
      I was not referring to ambulance people. I am talking about natural disasters, like Haiti, New Orleans, etc. I have been part of and accepted teams that come to do humanitarian aide in natural disasters cases. Born again Christians are the first on the scene and the last to leave. There are still Christian Churches working in New Orleans long after the media attention has departed and the government supplied humanitarian aide. Sorry that I was not so clear on that one (although “natural disaster” should have been a clue).
      Sorry to inform you of the facts but Genesis 12 was written way before the Babylonian captivity, before Israel reached the land of Canaan. You must not have paid attention when you were in your Bible classes as a child (too bad, you might have been a different person today). I can assure you, Abraham was a real person.

      I know that you do not like for me to quote the Bible. Satan does not like it either but that is not going to cause me to stop. The Bible is more relevant in the 21st Century than ever before. Because so many are Biblically illiterate (like you) we the problems that we have in the world today. We are making the same stupid mistakes that those who have come before us have made. If modern man were truly intelligent then he would learn from the mistakes of the past instead of repeating them over and over again.
      Your animosity toward the Hebrews demonstrates where you stand with God (sorry to inform you of that, but I have to be honest). .

      What figures do you want about 20th Century atheist dictators? Have you not read their writings? Have you not seen by whom they were influenced? Do I have to do your homework for you? I have done it for myself.

      Stalin was an atheist/communist who did not mind murdering in mass numbers because people are no different than animals and there is no God to judge your actions. So the millions who were killed under his regime were murdered by an atheist (don’t you feel proud adhering to the same beliefs as a mass murderer.)
      You obviously do not understand the essence of truth. There cannot be your version of truth and my version of truth when they contradict each other. If one is true and contradicts the other, then the other is not true, back to simple logic, once again.

      The main problem is sin according to the Christian worldview (God’s view). Sin is manifested in many forms like the lies of evolution and the immorality of homosexuality. Abortion falls into the category of sin. Evolution is just lies and distortion. Look at the evidence. Evolution is based on 19th Century science while Intelligent Design is using 21 Century science to demonstrate its view. Evolution is full of holes yet is taught as truth and children are forced to learn it. Religious pedophiles should be denounced as should all pedophiles. What is your point?
      They were always there. Just like the religious pedophiles, they were always there, its just that people can finally denounce them. Before that nobody would believe them. So, from your whole arguments,
      you wrote, “you would prefer it the way it was before, just keep all that nasty stuff under the carpet.”
      Here you go again with your worthless straw-man arguments. Sin is to be punished no matter who commits it. Please learn how to argue logically and stop putting words into my mouth.

      You wrote, “I promote what ?” my response ATHEISM

      You can test the claims of God’s Word on a daily basis. I will give you a few examples.
      1.The Bible says that people are born sinners. I have 2 small children. I do not have to teach my daughter to take what is not hers. I have to teach her not to take what is not hers. I do not have to teach her to be selfish. I have to teach her to be selfless. I will not have to teach her how to lie. I will have to teach her not to lie.
      2.The Bible says that if you are a follower of Christ then your life will transform radically. That has happened to me. It also says that you will be able to say no to sin. I put that into practice daily.
      3.The Bible says that the Gospel is the power of God to salvation for people. I share the Gospel with people daily, teaching them the Word of God and watch the transformation take place. I can do this all day.
      As for evolution, it cannot be reproduced in a lab. You have to have faith in order to accept it. They will never use words like faith but it is. You cannot reproduce it so you must believe that it happened the way that we say it did.

      As I have said before, I do not live by blind faith so your straw-man argument used to mock can be put aside. I am interested in a logical debate. I can find a group a children if I want to hear name calling and straw-man arguments.

      Read the OT and study it closly and you will see that God explains why you should not murder, lie, steal, commit adultery, etc. Just because you do not know about it does not mean that it is not there.

  9. Eric, this is the last time I wish to reply. Your rant here is impossible to read. My program counted the word “Word (of god) 11 times, the word “god” 48 times, “bible” 32 times, “christ” 21 times.

    You are a boring salesman, you should take up commercial studies. Get something more original, a mass exorcism, or an I-phone “talk to god directly” software.

    I’ve never seen anyone twist words as you. Just because I am against the death penalty you scream that I am against punishment for criminals. Of course I’m not, and neither are those ‘secular humanists or atheists’ that you think are criminals.

    As for you mentioning Haiti, that falls well, as we saw the sickening scramble of christians like you who were only too glad to take advantage of poor people in distress with your manipulation. Did you ever explain why god chose to save them and not the hundred thousand others ? Why steal their children ? I was glad too though when some said they had lost their faith. You are predators.

    As for evolution, I guess this has been answered before, as as you say there are countless discussions, but how do you explain all the different colours, shapes and sizes that came out of two original humans, if there was no evolution ? And remembering that Eve had to have children with her children and grandchildren as there are no girls. If there was no evolution, the food on your table wouldn’t be there, as how did wild plants get selected for domestic use ? (without genetic engineering).
    I would think that you have hyper intelligent answer like ‘god chose to do it’.

    As for teaching creationnism in schools, if it’s anything like the way you talk, obviously not. That the science teacher mentions that some people believe that god created the world in 6 days, it’s not a problem. My son’s teacher did, and I don’t think there were any fundamental christians in his class, but maybe some muslim ones. Catholics don’t believe this.

    As for buddhism and chistianity, it’s better that they teach people to observe themselves rather than talking to an imaginary person or ‘power /intelligence’. Talking to imaginary things is nothing more than insanity.

    As anyone can see from the texts you write, the christian simplicity is for limited IQ s. At least buddhism can appeal to all.

    And last but not least I don’t mind people who believe in some god or whatever, but that they keep it to themselves. I dislike intensely your type who call others ‘sinners’ and only you have the right politics, world view. Your world view, thankfully is a minority and we in the best democracies no longer have cruel punishments, have contraception and abortion, homosexuals,good health care, and other social cover, even with right wing gvts. We don’t like american extremist republicans, nor their fundamentalist religions, cults. Everybody thinks they are dangerous or at least crazy.

    Our newsreaders can’t help smiling when they show them screaming against Obama with things like ‘nazi’, ‘communist’. We think that they just don’t have a clue about history. We think they are scary nutcases. We wonder what USA has come to with people like Palin screaming for bombing anybody.

    And don’t bother talking to that imaginary god pleading to save me, I’m a lost cause. But if you think it’s worth it, as who knows what god’s power is, at least you’ll have less time to kidnap haitian children.

    • First of all the BIBLE does not teach that women are inferior. This once again shows your lack of understanding of the Word of God. Sorry to see you get so upset. I expected more out of your but I guess I am the eternal optimist.

      The post was so long because I had to continue answering the same mistakes that you were making over and over again. BTW, your previous response was quite long and full of a lot of nonsense (you seriously need to consider getting a Bible and reading It).

      You have your worldview and obviously do not mind sharing it with others. I respect that. I do not respect the fact that if you are challenged by someone who argues logically, you turn to mocking and name-calling. If you cannot win the argument then you turn to personal attack. I am not shocked because that is the way most atheist/secular humanists function (I told you that I have been down this path with many like you, and we usually come to these same conclusions).

      As far as the stupid little jab about Haitian children goes, you and all your atheists friends need to get the facts straight. There was no kidnapping involved. I personally know someone from that group of people and the facts are that the missionaries were misled by the authorities. The missionaries were doing a noble thing and believed that they had all of the paper-work in order. Then ignorant atheists (like you unfortunately) ran with the kidnapping story (which is a fabricated lie) and the lies spread quickly. Please inform yourself with the facts before making yourself look bad with ignorant arguments (just like you do about the Bible).

      I pray that God will have mercy on you and continue sending real Christians to you who will love you enough to share the Truth of the Gospel with you.

      My whole life is Christ, the Bible and the Word of God so that is what I talk about and write about. I am sorry but if God were to change you the way that He changed me then you would not be able to shut up about it. Look at the disciples in the Acts of the Apostles (again, you really do need to read the Bible) at how they could not stop talking about Jesus Christ and what He had done in their lives. Until you have experienced it you will never understand what I am talking about. (I hope that you will one day soon, before it is too late).

      What could be more original than God becoming man to take the punishment that man deserved for his own sin and then resurrecting in order to give man the opportunity to have a relationship with God and a changed life? That is unique to all of human history. He is able to set people free from their slavery to sin and give them the power to say no to temptation. What could be more original?

      The only twisting that I did was to untwist the mess that you made over and over again with your broad accusations based on lack of knowledge. You should thank me for taking the time to help you.

      If you are against the death penalty for murderers then you are against proper punishment of criminals. You value the life of the criminal more than the life of the victim. That is very inhumane on your behalf. What message does that send to the victims? What about the criminals. I am just pointing out a flaw in your logic. You can either accept it and change or get angry and continue in ignorance (it is your choice).

      History has shown us what atheists are willing to do once they have power (just study the 20th Century, not the revisionist’s version, but the actual version).

      Why do you blame God for the evils of this world (a God whom, when it is convenient for you, you claim is not even real?) Do you not see your own inconsistencies?

      How are humans so different? Easy, variation of species. There is such a thing as micro-evolution (variation of species) which explains why there are big dogs and little dogs (but they are all still dogs, as God created them to be). The same with humans, variation of species. It is the silly argument for macro-evolution that is pseudo-science. Please do not get upset at the fact that I am answering the question that you asked, even if you do not want to accept the answer. Where in Genesis does it say that Adam and Eve only had boys or did not have any girls? Read the Bible more carefully. The Bible says that Adam and Eve had MANY children The fact that only 3 of them are mentioned by name does not mean that there were not more or that there were not any girls. Do you see how you are misled in your arguments because of your lack of knowledge of the Bible? This is another of many examples that you have left for me to see.

      Genetic engineering is not the same as macro-evolution. It is Intelligent Design at work. So, once again your mocking only shows your lack of argument and the fact that you used the macro-evolutionists’ talking points only proves that you have bought into the lie.

      Christianity teaches self-observance so your argument is nonsense once again. Please, for the love of intelligence, READ THE BIBLE..

      As simple as you claim Christianity is you sure have made a lot of mistakes with it. What does that say about your IQ? (just a thought)

      How is abortion not cruel punishment? You cruelly dismember a living being in the safest place in the world, talk about inhumane cruelty!

      Have I called Obama a Nazi or a Communist? I think not. How is France’s social equality working out for the country? I know what is going on over there!

      Can you prove that God is imaginary? Do you have a logical point by point explanation? If so then I would like to hear it. If God does not exist then how do you explain the universe?

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